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Wow still here?
"avoiding any actual debate by claiming everything is a strawman or ad hominem."
Nope, but your inability to grasp that citing fallacious arguments is a valid part of debate makes your "truly an idiot" remark quite funny.
"Unfortunately, you don't have any compelling arguments to back up your positions. In this conversation, for instance, your only position appears to be that since I don't agree with you that I must be a bigot."
The first sentence is ironic since you haven't actually addressed a word I've said, preferring ad hominem fallacies. The second sentence is just a repetition of your earlier straw man argument misrepresenting the reasons I cited for labelling you a bigot, which had nothing to do with me disagreeing with you.
Your second paragraph is another tedious disjointed angry rant, filled with ad hominem fallacies. I've made my case and am happy for others to decide if what I posted has any validity, while you're busy offering nothing beyond angry rants.
" I promise you my skin is thicker than yours, "
Is that why you're posting increasingly angrier rants that have no bearing on your original absurd claim?
"since you're the one who went out of your way to go through all this fuss and bother because someone doesn't give a whooping fundt about your precious little pronouns"
You just implied I'd made no point, now you're claiming I've gone out of my way too make one? You've lost it precious. I don't know what a fundt is sorry?
Now have you anything to offer that's actually on topic? The word zhe not being in common usage is irrelevant to it's use, as all words start this way. Your objections don't stem from any valid objections to the word itself, but from bigotry towards people you are prejudiced against, that's axiomatic, as more than one outburst from you has amply evidenced that. The word zhe not referring a scientific fact is irrelevant to its use, as most words don't reflect scientific facts, what scientific fact or aspect of reality doe the words unicorn or mermaid reflect? Your attempt at debate is woeful, almost childlike. Are you a teenage boy by any chance? This would explain the posturing, the anger, the intolerance of people your fragile sexuality feels threatened by, the rank stupidity and ignorance of your posts, and of course the woeful grammar.
I'm still waiting for you to actually make a VALID point here.
Again, all you are saying is that it's bigoted to not simply buy into the illusion that the use of "zhe" has any merit whatsoever. All you are doing is presenting your opinion, and accusing me of being a bigot for not agreeing with you. Yet, you have failed to present any evidence, compelling or otherwise, that people who run around referring to them in the third person deserve respect to begin with.
I don't know why you want to keep claiming I'm angry, or upset unless you're just so insecure that you need to try to get cool points from the rest of the muppets, but it's pretty sad. I cuss. I cuss a lot. Your continued inferences about my emotional state are not even close to being accurate. It's really kind of pathetic that you keep trying to make my emotional well being the issue instead of actually saying something intelligent.
Since you use that name and image to represent yourself you really ought try to make a decent point once in a while...
You mad bro?
Maketakunai "I'm still waiting for you to actually make a VALID point here."
That's a lie, hence people pointing out that you're trolling, but here are the points you have just ignored..
"The word zhe not being in common usage is irrelevant to it's use, as all words start this way. Your objections don't stem from any valid objections to the word itself, but from bigotry towards people you are prejudiced against, that's axiomatic, as more than one outburst from you has amply evidenced that. The word zhe not referring a scientific fact is irrelevant to its use, as most words don't reflect scientific facts, what scientific fact or aspect of reality do the words unicorn or mermaid reflect? "
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"Again, all you are saying is that it's bigoted to not simply buy into the illusion that the use of "zhe" has any merit whatsoever. "
Not at all, your objections to the word are shown unequivocally in your post to be derived from your prejudices against certain demographics. Your woefully stupid claims about word definitions and usage just support this, and again the fact you're ignoring my points about word usage above, again support this obvious fact.
For the sake of brevity I shan't labour the point about your vapid ad hominem, as plenty of others have addressed this.
Now why not try addressing the topic, as nothing you've said has remotely done this for several posts, and your tedious ad hominem has driven most people away already.
No, you insufferable bore, I don't object to the existence of the word "zhe" I object to your insistence that people who use it must be respected for no reason whatsoever. Insisting that someone is a bigot for not using a word that ONLY holds value to people who believe it has value is moronic, and ill-conceived.
YOU are the claiming I am a bigot because I don't believe the word has any value, but you have failed to show in any way shape or form that it holds any value other than that given to it by the user.
YOU have failed to define any meaning to the word that might sway my opinion.
What are the defining characteristics of a "zhe"? We know that the pronoun "he" refers to someone with male characteristics. We know the pronoun "she" refers to someone with female characteristics. "Zhe" refers to someone who does not want to be IDENTIFIED as a male or female in spite of the fact that they ARE male or female. So, what are the characteristics of someone who doesn't feel like they're male or female but clearly have the characteristics of one (or both)?
If YOU believe I should respect people with mental health issues then don't you think you ought to be able to at least answer some basic fucking questions about your opinion? Apparently.... you don't. For some reason you think that playing word games, claiming that you can't figure out what words and phrases mean, pretending you know anything at all about my emotional state, and just being a general douchebag are convincing enough.
If you can't tell me how I'm supposed to identify "zhe" people or why I should respect them when they clearly have mental issues, your opinions are unsubstantiated and irrelevant? Or, to quote Hitch "That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
Actually never called you a bigot.
If you want to know the intimate details of a zhe why don't you ask one.
Nobody here identifies as a zhe, a zho or a zhum so why you asking us?
Anyway dude you have been amusing but your repetition is getting boring, hope you find a nice zhe friend one day.
Also confession, I never read the OP so I don't even know what a zhe supposed to be, in fact I find your ranty posts too long and i just barely skim them. Lucky you are predictable enough that my answers fooled you into think we were in a convo.
was nice messing with you, peace.
@ TD
You win the internet today! where that 100 agree button? dang, sure it was here....
"No, you insufferable bore, I don't object to the existence of the word "zhe" I object to your insistence that people who use it must be respected for no reason whatsoever. "
Gotcha, you don't think people are automatically deserving of respect (except you apparently), and yet paradoxically I am an insufferable bore. More irony...
I suppose you're not angry here either? This is too funny.
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"YOU have failed to define any meaning to the word that might sway my opinion."
Another lie, I found it's meaning in seconds using a Google search, said so *AND posted that meaning up. The fact it didn't sway you is an odd reason to cite my argument being invalid, anyone could say the same for your unpleasant blathering idiocy.
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"What are the defining characteristics of a "zhe"?"
I already answered this, and you knew when you came here of course as it's your reason for these endless rants.
""Zhe" refers to someone who does not want to be IDENTIFIED as a male or female in spite of the fact that they ARE male or female. "
Well there you go, you just answered your own question. Some people are trapped in a biological gender that is not who they are.
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"So, what are the characteristics of someone who doesn't feel like they're male or female but clearly have the characteristics of one (or both)?"
You just answered this one as well, they now identify as who they are not the biological gender they were born with, and now sometimes use zhe. It's good to clarify this with a word, I hope it catches on, and of course if it helps reduce prejudice, and bigotry that's a good thing, and best of all it costs us nothing to acknowledge this by using this word if they wish us to.
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"If YOU believe I should respect people with mental health issues then don't you think you ought to be able to at least answer some basic fucking questions about your opinion?"
I have neither mentioned nor implied any reference to mental health issues, so this is just yet another of your tediously dishonest straw man arguments.
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"For some reason you think that playing word games, claiming that you can't figure out what words and phrases mean, pretending you know anything at all about my emotional state, and just being a general douchebag are convincing enough."
Let me guess you're not angry here right? Then you hopefully you won't be angered by my pointing out that this is another of your tedious ad hominem. As for playing word games you started the thread about a word, and laid down arbitrary subjective rules in your opening post, 'rules' that seem oddly incongruous with facts like the fact that ALL words start without being in dictionaries as they are not in common usage. I have not claimed I am unable to figure out the meaning of any words or phrases, this is again another of your tedious lies, which you seem to think represent compelling argument.
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"If you can't tell me how I'm supposed to identify "zhe" people or why I should respect them when they clearly have mental issues, your opinions are unsubstantiated and irrelevant?"
I already answered this, but I'll give another go. You identify people who wish to identify with zhe by respecting their right to identify in a way that doesn't involve prejudice or discrimination or even openly hostile bigotry such as you have posted repeatedly. Youve demonstrated no evidence, nor am I aware of any that suggests anyone wishing to addressed as zhe has mental health issues, indeed this seems like another of your bigoted and pejorative assumptions and assertions.
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"Or, to quote Hitch "That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.""
Ironic, where is you evidence for the claim people wishing to be identified as zhe have mental health issues? I am not aware of a single claim I have made presented as fact that I have not supported with evidence? Perhaps you can list 3 for our general edification?
You know the difference between presenting opinion and presenting fact right? For instance it is my opinion that prejudice, bigotry and discrimination are wrong. It;s not a fact, but I can use facts to support my opinion, such as the suffering and harm such views cause. I think you need to calm down and take a deep breath as all your doing is thrashing your views repeatedly with a few ad hominem thrown in.
Feeding the troll still.
Well it's a victim less pursuit. I wouldn't do it if it didn't help me re-examine my position on certain ideas, and help me formalise them into coherent arguments. He's obviously so closed minded it won't affect him either way, and that was clear from the start.
Don't get me wrong I'd be lying if it wasn't entertaining to watch him thrash about.
Again, you're just playing stupid word games. There is no "gotcha". I've never demanded anyone respect my opinion, so you're just fucking wrong AGAIN. You keep trying to make claims about my emotional state that are also wrong AGAIN.
And no, I'm not angry. I'm just tired of your idiotic bullshit. Reading your inane bullshit is like watching a child add 2+2 and get "jello" for an answer.
You don't have any real point to make. Fine. You don't agree with mine. Fine. You think I'm a bigot and an idiot. Fine. I think you're a clown and a moron. Fine. By all means, keep your head up your ass. I don't care what you think about me Sheldon. I know that's probably a bitter pill to swallow, but you are my complete stranger, and your unsubstantiated opinions and poorly constructed arguments mean precisely dick.
So, I'm done here. Since you can't pull your head out of your ass long enough to write something to even nudge my point of view even slightly towards your ridiculous opinion I see no point in continuing this.
@ Sheldon
Can you see the toys? I'm sure they landed not far from the pram.....
You must be mistaken, he's not angry, he has said so loudly, and angrily, many times. I love the way he seeks people out on a forum, and starts a thread to rant about his opinion, then claims he doesn't care.
I think if there were a nurse with a massive syringe of self awareness standing by for him, he'd still not have clue.
"Again, you're just playing stupid word games. There is no "gotcha". I've never demanded anyone respect my opinion, so you're just fucking wrong AGAIN. You keep trying to make claims about my emotional state that are also wrong AGAIN."
LEt me guess you're not angry *AGAIN, and when you rant on and on about your opinion being right that's fine, but when everyone else does it they're somehow insisting you think as they do. This seems a cogent and objective claim to you? Wow!
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"And no, I'm not angry. I'm just tired of your idiotic bullshit."
Your point is rather undermined by your repetitive angry rants, and I don't think you are in any position to accuse anyone of BS, as it seems to be your raison d'être judging from this thread.
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"I don't care what you think about me Sheldon. I know that's probably a bitter pill to swallow, "
I'll just have to muddle through then. Meanwhile go back to the first page and read my post where I asked you why you cared if others used zhe and asked why you didn't just mind your own business. Another irony overload, and you really don't see it? Wow! (again). Here's a clue, you came here to rant about the word, I didn't seek you out to insist you use it, can you really be this stupid?
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"So, I'm done here."
Oh bless, you were done here from the first post, but bye then (again).
" I see no point in continuing this."
Well I stand corrected, you can learn something. The problem is you have failed to offer a single cogent reasons why I would object to someone referring to themselves as zhe, beyond inane and wildly inaccurate semantics, or why I shouldn't use that term if it made them comfortable. I see prejudice, discrimination and bigotry as deeply pernicious behaviours, sadly like all bigots you are unable to comprehend the views or rights of others, and when anyone objects start crying that your rights have been violated, ironic really.
The troll still with us?
ROFL!
I just had to come back to this.... Here we are in an atheist forum and you're calling a guy who says "no one has the right to tell you how to think" a troll.
Talk about irony!
If your not a troll then you are one dumb motherfucker.
Well, if I wanted to be as smart as you, I reckon I'd just believe everything people told me to believe.
Why don't you try actually making a point here. You seem to think you have two brain cells to rub together. Why don't you try that and attempt to make a convincing argument why I should join you and the rest of the muppets worshiping "The Zhe".
Go ahead. I can always use the entertainment.
Terminal Dogma "If you're not a troll then you are one dumb motherfucker."
Well they're not mutually exclusive of course, my money's on both.
No one has told you how to think, this is a straw man argument. You simply are way out of your depth here, and your grasp of English I suspect is the root cause. Telling someone their behaviour or even thinking is wrong, is not the same as *demanding they think a certain way. You have voiced your opinion, does that mean you're demanding we all think as you do? Can you really be this stupid?
The last sentence is just too funny under the circumstances.
Maketakunai "I just had to come back to this.... Here we are in an atheist forum and you're calling a guy who says "no one has the right to tell you how to think" a troll."
Did he claim you were a troll *BECAUSE you were telling everyone (unnecessarily) that no one has the right to tell others how to think?
Now take your time on this one angry troll, as you seem to be rather confused. So one more time to help you out...
So when you come here and voice your vapid bigoted verbiage you're exercising your right, when others do it in disagreement they're telling you what to think? Dear oh dear...
I actually want to get some paint, paintbrushes and paper and draw pictures with @make so he can understand the absurdity of his position...but what will happen if he finally gets it. He will explode all over the painting.
Relax he's never going to get it, and he certainly won't ever admit it on here if he miraculously had a moment of lucidity that cut through his angry troll fog.
"Here's the thing Sunshine... No one has the right to tell you how to think, how to act, or how to speak. No one has the right do demand your acceptance or respect. There's a big world out there with billions of people in, and if someone is so self-absorbed that they have to try to make the whole world play their little fucking games they absolutely are the one overreacting."
Lol, then you have no right to moan about the.
ROFLMAO!
I'm not sure how responding to someone who can't handle a different opinion is "moaning", but okay, LOL!
If you can get past your delusions of grandeur you will see all your own arguments against the zhe can be applied equivalently back at you....and yes you are whining and moaning like a little bitch.
ROFL! So, everyone that doesn't agree with you is whining and moaning like a little bitch?
What a free-thinker you are.
My arguments against "the zhe" are pretty much the same arguments most people here have against religion. I'm sorry if I'm not fluent enough in Dumbass for you to understand that.
Zhe does convey and have a meaning, the fact you don't like it doesn't change that.
You seem way too angry of the way someone identifies themselves.
Seems you might need to be honest with yourself, you gay?
Considering your whiny, bitch-ass thread about how watching a video traumatized you, the details of my sex life would probably drive you into the closest safe-space where you could have a good cry.
But since you asked.... Nope, I'm not gay.
Any more childish ad hominem attacks you want to post?
I actually believe knowledge of your sex life would drive me into a safe space closet as you say.
Still the point is your whining about the way others choose to identify themselves is ....well just whiney.
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