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Everyone else gave a long explanation.
If scientific for physical evidence surfaces I might feel the need to feel there's something. But there's pretty much no scientific or physical evidence any god exists. They claim ghosts exist, but I doubt that too.
Lot of my atheist friends have told me the same thing, if they saw any physical evidence they might believe. But I would argue even if "god" showed himself right in front of you, how do you know that really is god, and not some optical illusion or imposter? Gets down to the basic theory of epistemology, how do we know things. I would argue only through direct experience itself.
@Ajay: How do we know things? "I would argue only through direct experience itself." THEN YOU WOULD BE WRONG AGAIN!
I know where there is a psych ward full of people who have direct experiences of the world they live in that ARE NOT REAL. Once again you splash your ignorance all over the site. People report direct experiences with Big Foot, Aliens. Pixies, The Loch Ness Monster, Black Ops Helicopters, Men in Black, Time Travel, Jesus Christ, Spirits, Ghosts, Prophecy, Mermaids, and a whole lot more. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS NOT A PATH TO TRUTH! That is WHY we came up with the SCIENTIFIC METHOD. That is why we TEST, VERIFY, SEEK TO VALIDATE, AND REPEAT our experiences WHILE SEEKING CONFIRMATION FROM OTHERS. And even this does not work all the time.
The scientific method is itself based on direct experience, in this case, sensory experience. If someone makes a discovery through scientific experimentation and publishes it in a journal, how do you know they aren't just making up the data? You have to see the data for yourself, this is direct experience...
@Ajay
Who exactly are you talking to?
sorry, will be sure to use the @ symbol next time:)
@Ajay: Oh for fuck sake ---- Read the previous reply! Quit being a fucktard. If you are going to troll, at least try to make it interesting.
@Ajay: "How do you know they aren't just making up the data?" READ THE FUCKING POST ABOVE!!!!! I ALREADY TOLD YOU HOW!!!
Dear oh dear..
I'm smelling a dirty sweaty sock puppet btw....
Or someone
Really lost in his “mind”....
A brain in a jar
Ajay: Is there anything that would genuinely make you believe in "god", and if so what?
A consistent narrative running through every religion in history would be fairly convincing. You'd expect divinely inspired people to produce similar accounts, yet we have everything from burning bushes and parted seas to flying donkeys and heavenly harems.
The consistent themes in just about every religion are us versus them, and men in charge of everything.
Another thing that might convince me is religious people acting with something resembling common humanity, empathy, and decency. Instead we have a bloody history of sectarian conflict, massacres, wars, torture, pogroms, child-rape, child-mutilation, money-grubbing, lying, and general immorality. How can god exist and do nothing about these atrocities in its name?
How can there be an omniscient, purely good being who thinks that eating pork is worse than mutilating or raping children? The existence of religions is proof that there is no god.
"Another thing that might convince me is religious people acting with something resembling common humanity, empathy, and decency. Instead we have a bloody history of sectarian conflict, massacres, wars, torture, pogroms, child-rape, child-mutilation, money-grubbing, lying, and general immorality. How can god exist and do nothing about these atrocities in its name?
How can there be an omniscient, purely good being who thinks that eating pork is worse than mutilating or raping children? The existence of religions is proof that there is no god.
I agree with you and this is one reason why I think traditional religion is a joke, but I would argue that even if religious people acted perfectly that still is no grounds to believe in religion, these are two entirely unrelated issues.
As for the different accounts, these may represent different interpretations based on individual human differences. There's an interesting philosophy called Q-ism which suggests different religions are a product of different individual interpretations of similar experiences based on individual differences in personality, language, culture, and historical context.
I would start with space-time and first ask where the spacetime the said entity existed came from. I’d probably have gazzillions of other questions but it’s a start.
There are no binary questions that would satisfy me. It would have to be as i know and understand answer to one question, will build upon more questions and go on as long as I think I continue to have more questions.
I think spacetime is a liguistic tool used to describe something we have no idea how to describe
@Ajay: RE: "We don't know how to describe spacetime?"
SPACETIME: "In physics, spacetime is any mathematical model which fuses the three dimensions of space and the one dimension of time into a single four-dimensional manifold. Spacetime diagrams can be used to visualize relativistic effects, such as why different observers perceive where and when events occur differently."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
Even Wikky does a better job of it than you.
Ajay is a Troll!
what exactly is a four-dimensional manifold? Have you seen or experienced one for yourself? If not, what's the difference between what you're describing and what the theist describes as god?
Ajay: "four-dimensional manifold?" SCIENCE BUILDS MODELS!!! wtf DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ixGKZlLVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4gLBIA7Kw
And that’s where this conversation will come to an abrupt stop because you can pretty call anything “a linguistic tool” to avoid giving any coherent answer to any given question.
@HumeMystic: RE: "And that’s where this conversation will come to an abrupt stop because you can pretty call anything “a linguistic tool” to avoid giving any coherent answer to any given question."
NOW HERE IS A CASE OF THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK. Old Man should eat you alive for this one.
Isn't calling something a "Linguistic Tool" The exact same thing as pretending it's all "SEMANTICS." Gee, I wonder if someone is just missing the Big Picture?
HUME: You are going to learn that you are held accountable for bullshit on this site. Theist or Atheist. The things you say will come back to bite you on the ass.
can you call yourself a linguistic tool?
@Ajay, so when you go to bathroom to take a dump, you do it linguistically?
@Ajay: EVERYONE - Go watch the Q-ism video, just the first two sentences will enlighten you to what Ajay is trying to push on the site.
AJAY IS A TROLL!!!
I would say allow people to make their own decisions (unlike organized religion), but whatever makes you happy my friend!
@Ajay: TROLL!
What would make me believe?... In the case of a Christian god it would only take Christians, who by the means of prayer, actually heal the sick, the diseased, the handicapped, deaf, blind, maimed and lame, and perform other miracles as specifically promised by Jesus for those who followed him. In other words, instead of attempting to prove the existence of their god through words of debate and argument, prove it through exemplary Christ-like attitudes and actions.
C19 provides a perfect opportunity, a global stage.
Yet in the past week I only remember seeing some Christian leaders declaring c19 as the work of god, specifically his displeasure for the wicked, unworthy human race and of course making requests for monetary donations to assist deliverance from the virus.
As per the gospels the Christ promised unambiguous miraculous powers. Are there no real christians?
Interesting. For me, even if a Christian actually did all that stuff you could easily attribute that to sheer coincidence, or the psychological power of suggestion. Wouldn't get me to genuinely believe in their god.
You may have noted I answered this much asked and worthless question with a set of circumstances that an atheist would know to be clearly unlikely if not totally impossible. It certainly would be a massively improbable coincidence or an inconceivable psychological global event. I think you missed the irony in my reply.
After more than sixty years exposure to Christian propaganda I steadfastly identify as an agnostic atheist although I sometimes shift to be an anti-theist depending on my mood.
Apart from the sort of miracles I don't believe in, I can't think of single possibility that hasn't already been offered by evangelists, that would be a compelling reason to for me to believe.
To be blunt, I have never thought the question really deserved a dignified answer.
If the faith healers started healing amputated limbs; that would get my attention.
@Nyarlathotep, couldn't you attribute that to simple coincidence?
@Ajay
No obviously, since it has never happened, I may be wrong but I believe that was precisely the point Nyarl was making.
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