***Duh,***
I don’t know Johan, I mean, Homer...it’s soooo hard to keep you two strait...(jacket)

@HEY TIN!!! The chess game was fun. Now let's play a game of "Hide and Seek." I'm gonna go hide and you try to find me! (Ahhh yes! A little spot of poo on the floor. Evidence that I was here, but am no more. Good try).

I don't see an "infinity problem" when it comes to God and the existence of the Universe, because there seem--to me--to be some underlying fallacies when it comes to discussing what infinity actually means.

For example, consider two identical number lines placed one on top of the other, and parallel to each other. Let us also assume that these number lines are endless and stretch to infinity on both sides of the zero point (ie: to negative infinity to the left of the zero, and positive infinity to the right of the zero).

So . . . on both lines, we have all integers marked.

I could attach all integers on the bottom line with every fifth integer on the top line, and let us carry this to infinity.

Your intuition might tell you that I won't be able to do this, since--by only using every fifth integer on the upper number line to label every integer on the botton line--that there are only 20% of the fifth place integers available to do this . . . but this isn't true.

There are an infinite number of integers, and an infinite number of fifth place integers, since the definition of infinity is the quality of endlessness.

Both God and the Universe could be infinite, and this doesn't preclude omniscence.

None of this means that I neccesarily believe in God (I'm very agnostic, actually), but we're quick to point out the fallacies of Creationists who try to use science to censor the teaching of evolution in schools . . . so we should examine our own fallacies with the same degree of criticism if we are to avoid being hypocrites.

@Infinity Problem?? You mean that stick has been up his ass for longer than 6000 years?

That's a complete bull. You couldn't have known knowledge if it was infinite. What you know is finite. But, you can say infinite is what you haven't learned so far. In fact, what we're talking about here is LIMITS. Time and/or space limits.

I have issues dealing with "infinity" because to me it barely qualifies as an abstract concept, and has zero application in this known universe.

This known universe has had it's mass calculated at 1.5×1053 kg.

This known universe has had it's start point calculated at 3.8 billion years ago. If there was no time before the big bang, then time has a start point, and if thus not infinite. The time line does not extend to infinity in both directions.

This known universe has had it's diameter calculated at 93 billion light years. Until someone can prove that there is "something" outside of our universe, I can not accept infinite distance.

Can anyone tell me what was the specific temperature of the very center of Rigel the instant Ötzi the Iceman was murdered? When someone can and prove how they arrived at the correct number, I can not accept that knowledge is infinite.

So best I know, mass, time, distance, and knowledge are not infinite. And if we can not have an example of "infinite" to study how can we even begin to prove that? I do not know if anything is infinite. There may be a god, something may be infinite. But I will not accept any of that without evidence.

I am applying the same standards of evidence as the god question, that forced me to reject the god claim.

People talk about infinity as if it was real, just like they talk about a god. But no one can prove either.

@Fuck damn. shit, fuck.. damn fuck shit damn fuck..... sorry all fuck,,,, but until this SHIT! bout of tourettes is FUCK over, I just won't SHIT contribute much... FUCK