I debated a guy who said that that god never wanted child sacrificed and specifically banished it.
The discussion went on to show that both things happened, both the banishing and the acceptance/wanting/love of child sacrifice happened.
Not that the theist went half way like I did on the subject that is, but here is a video that shows how much god loved to smell burnt flesh in the bible.
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It amazes me how anybody can follow such a vile and hateful book as the bible. It makes me laugh when theists claim secular morality results in random murders without a divine being present to prevent such atrocities. In reality its just the opposite, since the make believe man in the sky provides an example how to do it. No wonder they call their biblical rationalizing apologetics. Some things can’t be rectified no matter how much they spin and lie. I’m so glad such a figment of man’s imagination doesn’t exist.
It's really scary if such god truly exists. We're glad that the god who loves child sacrifice is just a part of a nonsense myth.
It seems the god of the Christian Bible wants child sacrifice. That's practically the sole premise of Christianity: God can't simply forgive you for your sins as Jesus demands of you. Instead, he has to sacrifice his only begotten son (who is also himself *insert miracle here*) because for reasons unexplained, there can be no remission of sin without bloodshed (Hebrews 9:22).
That premise might make sense in the primitive world view where bloodshed's relationship to sin is assumed as fact. In that context, the notion of "I sinned, so kill that goat" seems reasonable, so putting god's offspring in the mix would certainly seem like a logical progression: If "I sinned, so kill that goat" works but it requires the continued killing of more and more goats, then "I sinned, so kill that god's son" is a logical solution that solves the problem once and for all. No further animal sacrifice is needed.
On the other hand, if "I sinned, so kill that goat" is recognized as a complete non-sequitur based on an illogical assumption, then it fails on its own merits, and any escape from the paradigm (such as Christianity) is unnecessary and obviously based on a false need.
That's practically the sole premise of Christianity: God can't simply forgive you for your sins as Jesus demands of you. Instead, he has to sacrifice his only begotten son (who is also himself *insert miracle here*) because for reasons unexplained, there can be no remission of sin without bloodshed (Hebrews 9:22).
Yea , having the right context, you can understand why the authors of the NT decided that to make god a good guy, they had to show that he is ready to sacrifice also his son for us.
Since he likes child sacrifice so much, showing that he is ready to do the same with his son, is the perfect logical example of love for the mentality of the authors of the roman period.
For theists today without the context of god liking to child sacrifice they truly do not understand why god chose this method to forgive their sins.
But when understanding the right context, it makes sens.
I'm perhaps a bit of topic as this doesn't refere to child sacrifice, but instead merely to the joy of killing the babies of the enemy. Psalm 137, that is part of the basis for the song "Rivers of Babylon", has a quite distasteful and morbid ending:
"Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."
Does anyone know the historical relevance of the Psalms, in the biblical context? Are they just random campfire songs or are they based on biblical historical roots? Are they used as basis for religious preachings?
Ps.
Jeff, I'm curious, where did it show that banishing of child sacrifice happened? Was there a Bible reference?
"Jeff, I'm curious, where did it show that banishing of child sacrifice happened? Was there a Bible reference?"
I honestly do not know if it happened or not.
Psalm were written after the Babylonian exile and placed in their history.
The Jewish priest were desperate because they where exiled from Israel.
There was no hope to get their promised land.
So they started to invent prophets and insert them in their history.
These prophets were saying that the exile was gonna happen but that god would send a messiah that would redeem Israel and restore it to power in the world.
So basically you can assume that every book in the OT written after this period is an invention or less reliable.
This is the same period where we see a complete change in the OT character of god.
At this point he starts disapproving of child sacrifice and banishing it.
The OT god starts to be more to the liking of the Jews rather then a tyrant and capricious character.
This is because the Jewish priests are inventing it to give hope to the people.
To validate these prophets they made the prophets have the same characteristics as previous prophets like Moses.
So the priests inserted the idea that this was the way god chose his prophets.
When the scripture was taken by the Romans from the temple in 70 AD
The Romans saw this technique called TYPOLOGY and used it to create their own prophet we call JESUS and inserted in their past, in the period of their enemies the Julio Claudian dynasty.
I don't understand what the fuzz is about here, he was just exercising his religious belief.
“God told me to do this. God told me to cut off children's heads and bring them to him and then I would be made king,” he said from custody. “I told him that I didn't want to do this but he insisted.”
The religion isn't specified, but what are the odds that it is an abrahamic one?
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/suspected-serial-killer-says-god-ins...
Well this is one of the questions I usually ask to Christians:
If real god appears to you in the flesh and wants to test your faith like he did with Abraham by asking you to go to the town square and sacrifice your only son to him,
Would you do it?
Yes/No
There is only 1 good option to this question and decent people know it.
Christians usually just leave or avoid to choose between yes or no.
The fact they they find it hard to choose the obvious answer is the true horror of of religion.
Well said
This is something new which I was never knew and if it is right then it's really disappointed for me to see that God loves child sacrifice as it is unbelievable.