My friends, please allow JazzTheist (Squidburt) to answer. Provided he has the courage.
What are the true Ten Commandments?
What is the name of your Christian god?
rmfr
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Well, JazzTheist, are you game? Or do you not know?
rmfr
JazzTheist will give you no information. His god is the prime mover and obviously everything needed a prime mover. No FURTHER INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
It's the exact same argument Rat Spit uses for his Overload. The difference is that most of us think RatSpit is actually an atheist who is simply pulling our legs and being an extremely bad Theist. Jazz seems to actually think he is saying something and being MISUNDERSTOOD because we disagree and point out the insanity of his assertions.
Awwww shit! I got the popcorn this time. Tin man do you have any eggnog left?
@S-SOB Re: Eggnog
Yeah, there's still about half a barrel left. Might want to save it for another thread, though. Looks like our guest of honor is gonna be a no-show here.... *shrugging shoulders*...
Funny how they come here and challenge us, but when we challenge them...
rmfr
Just got home from school. Sure, I'll accept your challenge for fun.
1. ''What are the true Ten Commandments?''
You're asking what the Ten Commandments truly mean, right? Cool.
1) ''Thou shalt have no other gods before me.''
Atheists would be quick to use this to validate their view of God being a narcissistic jerk. This objection is invalid because it assumes that God is just another natural being who possesses comparable intelligence to humans.
Instead of being a natural thing, God is the one who provided existence for nature; and is maximally intelligent. By declaring dominance, God is actually offering humans the choice to follow him and gain potentially infinite knowledge.
2) ''Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.''
It's basically a description of idolatry. Given that God is the one who provided existence for nature and thus transcendental, it is dangerous and blasphemous to arbitrarily assign transcendental properties to natural things. The cult worship of Hitler, Stalin and Mao were examples of idolatry.
3) ''Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.''
Some think it just means that God doesn't want to be talked bad of. But it's not that simple. What is really means is that God want folks not to use his name to do evil or selfish things.
4) ''Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.''
God assigned a day of each week to be especially dedicated to him, as a reminder to all.
Many would be quick to point out how Christians still work and pick up stuff on the Sabbath. However, in the New Testament, Jesus had already pointed out that the Jews had a wrong observation of the Sabbath, making it more rigorous than God intended.
5) ''Honor thy father and thy mother.''
A common objection is: what if you had abusive parents? The answer is: honor your parents in regard of how much honor they deserve.
But why exclusively parents? Because in that specific time, keeping families solid was crucial to social stability. We can't expect the Ten Commandments to fit every aspect of the 21st century.
6) ''Thou shalt not murder.''
If societies don't ban murder, they can't work.
7) ''Thou shalt not commit adultery.''
Same thing.
8) ''Thou shalt not steal.''
Same thing.
9) ''Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.''
Same thing.
Additionally, this commandment can be seen to be complementing the fifth one; to command people not to unconditionally favor their own families. If your family member stole something from your neighbor, do you protect the benefits of your family member first and remain silent, or do you attest the crime to your neighbor?
10) ''Thou shalt not covet.''
Some think that this is just the same as the eighth commandment; but there's more to it. Do not want things that you don't deserve and focus on what you already have.
2. ''What is the name of your Christian god?''
God is constantly referred to as ''Yahweh'' in the Old testament, which means ''I am'' in ancient Hebrew; which is a pretty legit description of how God doesn't depend on anything other than himself to exist.
Another common name for God is ''Elohim'', which simply means ''God''.
To many modern Christians, the most adequate name of God is ''Jesus''.
So, does God has a name? Yes and no.
Hasn't he been removed from the site yet?
@ Cog
Jazzy has just found himself a whole new world of butthurt by the time Arakish and Diotrephes get through with his chewed up fancies... Real 10 Commandments...he fell straight into that trap...oh LOL...* here TM, have a choc bomb...English Toffee flavor...Cog? Same?* This should be a fun re run with a different antagonist...a bit like the last remake of the Magnificent Seven....still the same story as Kurosawa just a not very good antagonist. *TM..put on some Popcorn..butter and caramel for me... "I love the smell of a theist nosebleed in the morning"
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I see you're referring to Exodus 34; the ones including the ''bread without yeast'' stuff. It's a common misunderstanding that these were ''new commandments'' to replace the original ones that Moses smashed.
Exodus 34 begins with God telling Moses to write the words that were on the first tablets. As it explicitly states, the new tablets were exactly the same as the original ones; thus the following ''commandments'' do not necessarily have anything to do with the Ten Commandments.
Oh and could you pass me some of that popcorn too? I'd appreciate it.
Troll! More ignorant inane assertions. How much longer will this continue?
1. I am no troll.
2. You are the one making assertions. Just because you say so doesn't mean it's true.
3. If you can convince me, I shall then leave you alone. To convince me, you need to offer proper rebuttals.
@ Arakish
Are you going to make a challenge every theist that come across here? If it was a job, paid by the number of answers you could live with a lot of comfort.
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They come here to challenge us. Why not challenge them? And it shows how LITTLE they actually know.
rmfr
Sorry. I am tired. Going to have to take a nap. JazzTheist. You got the Ten Commandments WRONG!! However you did refer to the True Ten Commanments. They are in Exodus 34: 14-28. Where you refer to Moses writing on the second set of tablets as was written on the first stone tablets, actually occurs AFTER what you call the ten commandments. Those as spoken of in Exodus 20 were NEVER called the Ten Commandments. Only in Exodus 34:28 – He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Thus like ALL Religious Absolutists, you got the True Ten Commandments wrong.
And you still have not answered the second question: What is the name of your Christian god?
I'll be back.
rmfr
Continuing to resort to denial like an atheist absolutist (which you aren't aware that you are one).
It's explicitly stated that the new tablets were the same as the old ones. Just because there happened to be ten new additional ''commandments'' doesn't mean they were the real ones.
Oh, trust me ignorant and illiterate one. I have known I was a Rational Atheist Absolutist since I was 3 years old. That makes it well over half a century ago, 50 years ago since you may not be able to figure that on your own.
How old are you 8?
Are you intentionally being stupid. The horse hoowhee written between Exodus 20 to Exodus 31 was nothing but a diatribe of the laws. Athough, called commandments, none were the True Ten Commandments.
Are you sure you have read the Bible?
Exodus 31:18 – When he finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, he gave Moses the two tablets of the covenant, stone tablets, written with God’s finger.
Exodus 34:1 – Yahweh said to Moses, “Chisel two stone tablets like the first. I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke."
The second stone tablets had written on them the same exact True Ten Commandments as the first ones. What was written on both sets was not revealed until Exodus 34:14-28.
Exodus 34:28 – He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Don't feel bad young child. ALL Religious Absolutists fail in this challenge.
rmfr
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Exodus 34:1 – Yahweh said to Moses, “Chisel two stone tablets like the first. I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke."
Ugh...so you've just proved my point. The new tablets were the same as the old ones.
You seem to insist that the Bible is literal in every aspect. So, why is it suddenly not literal?
And you fail to notice that the bullshit between Exodus 20 and Exodus 31 ARE NOT the commandments. Are you purposefully being obtuse and retarded, or is it natural for you. Do you even know how to read? Because you response shows you do not know how to read, or in the least how to comprehend what you are reading.
rmfr
@ Jazz Theist
Oops. Sorry. Missed it.
Do you not know how to use the "Shift" key to get the double quote mark (")? Illiterate Religious Absolutists.
Yahweh is NOT the name for the Christian god. What you are referring to is the Tetragrammaton: YHWH. YHWH was used in the OT to signify god's statement of "I AM WHO I AM" in Exodus 3:14. This is nothing but a descriptive statement. NOT a name. I can say the same, "I AM WHO I AM, and my name is Arakish." See. Just a descriptive statement. The Christian God names himself only twice.
The translators for the KJV simply inserted "The LORD" or "The LORD God" everytime they saw the Tetragrammaton. Sometimes, they inserted the term "adonai" which simply means "lord."
Exodus 6:3 – "the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them."
Exodus 34:14 – "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God."
Thus, the name of the Christian god is "Jehovah Jealous."
Wrong. Elohim means "gods." Elo means "god."
Hey-soos? Nah. Ain't nothing divine about him. Just some street punk in command of a gang of thugs and prostitutes.
Actually... Yes. Jehovah Jealous.
rmfr
''Yahweh is NOT the name for the Christian god. What you are referring to is the Tetragrammaton: YHWH. YHWH was used in the OT to signify god's statement of "I AM WHO I AM" in Exodus 3:14. This is nothing but a descriptive statement. NOT a name. I can say the same, "I AM WHO I AM, and my name is Arakish." See. Just a descriptive statement.''
''I am who I am'' by definition is not an adequate description for Arakish, for Arakish is a creature living in the natural world who depends on its environment for survival. However, it would be the perfect description for a God who acts as an ultimate source of existence. And why can't a descriptive statement be a name?
''Thus, the name of the Christian god is 'Jehovah Jealous'.''
Only if you take things literally; which in this case, the verses are very obviously a figure of speech.
''Wrong. Elohim means 'gods'. Elo means 'god'.''
And both would be adequate names. By calling God ''gods'' (Elohim), you'd be describing him as having the power of all the gods ever invented by man. It's an understatement though, but still not a bad name.
''Hey-soos? Nah. Ain't nothing divine about him.''
You're simply resorting to convenient denial. Show me the reasons of the justification of your assertion that Jesus wasn't divine.
"I-yam what I-yam, an' that's all that I-yam."..... (Hmmm... Sounds close, but not exactly it.)... Ummmm....
"I am, therefore I think I am.".... (Nope. Not quite that one.).... Let's seeee....
"I think I am what I think I am.... I think.".... (Catchy, but not quite right.)
"I Am, therefore I pee".... (No, that doesn't seem right, either. Getting closer, though.)
"I pee before 1 a.m.?"... (Okay. Disregard that one completely.)
"I think, therefore I think I am."... (No. Dang-it.)
Alright, alright! I give up already. Somebody help me out here.
In the words of the Moody Blues "Right you are my bright little star".
JazzTheist: "And why can't a descriptive statement be a name?"
Fine then. From here on out, my name is Yahweh. I am god. Since I can describe myself with the same statement, "I AM WHO I AM" you have just made me your god. Now get down on your knees and worship me. I also command you to shut the fuck up. You are making me look bad.
rmfr
Wow. Are you really sure you aren't the one who can't read?
As I've had literally said in that very passage, ''I am who I am'' is not an adequate name for you, because you by definition are a creature occupying the natural world.
If "I AM WHO I AM" is not adequate for me, then it also inadequate for your Retarded Sky Faerie.
Remember how a broadsword cuts...
rmfr
I am who I am?
Since you can't even answer a simple question, I guess I must fill in the blanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wae1j-aCD1o
@ David
What bothers me is how did I know that YouTube link was going to be about Popeye before I clicked on it?
rmfr
I am busted, you have reached a general understanding of my twisted humor.
JazzTheist: "Only if you take things literally; which in this case, the verses are very obviously a figure of speech."
Typical Religious Absolutists bullshit response. The statements ARE literal. There is no other way to misconstrue them otherwise.
Also refer to my previous response.
rmfr
Why do you think they're literal?
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