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With the american supreme court saying a business not only has religious rights but the businesses rights are more important than the individual employees rights. There is going to be an all out scramble for rights.
Excellent debate Spewer, Manoj
One thing I would like to point out is that, an Anti-theist does not deny that god exists.(it is not Anti-Deist)
An Anti-theist point of view is that not only he rejects the theist IDEA of a god(loving,omniscient,omnipotent) but believes that that idea does more harm then good to people.
About reincarnation;
If it was an undiscovered science which has not been proven yet, does it mean that your idea of god has anything to do with it?
For information only:
The holographic universe hypothesis in quantum mechanics gives some hint of how reincarnation can happen, if you are interested I can expand on that.
Deal with is muthafucka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTL-P2V8xKk
** it
Why is it so hard for atheists to understand that you have no evidence for how you claim space, time and matter came to be. You simply BELIEVE that it did somehow. So since you have no explanation with absolute proof, you believe by faith, just like those that believe in God. That is what makes Atheism a religion.
You simply believe that it all came in being in a very specific, otherwise exclusive manner. That is religion.
As atheists, we have no such beliefs. We simply see what's around us, here and now (and then due to tangible archeological record) and roll with it.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that?
You claim you believe tangible archeological records. How about the over 25,000 archeological digs that shows the Bible to be true? Or do you just disregard those because you choose not to believe them? I would say you've probably never even tried researching to see if there are any archeological evidence to support the Bible. Most likely because most of you are biased, because you simply don't want it to be true. Instead you take what someone else tells you what they believe, and just because it supports what you want, you accept it. Not because you really want to know the truth. You simply don't want a judgment to go against what you want to do. You like your sin to much to care if there is a punishment for it. You cherish satisfying your flesh, even if it means that what you are clinging to is destroying you.
To give proof of what I said above. Atheist's have gone to the point of claiming that they don't have to know how space, time, matter, or even life began. Because they can't prove any of their claims. So they use the easy out "we don't need to know" but at the same time claiming that what they don't want to know is not true. If they truly don't believe then they wouldn't try so hard to convince others that they don't believe. They would simply live their life doing what they want without any thought or care about anything they claim they don't believe. But here we have an entire site dedicated to keeping them talking about what they don't believe. It's kinda ironic. As much time as they spend on a subject (God) they claim doesn't exist, is probably more time than they spend on most anything else. Kinda funny if you ask me. God knows how to stir people to make Him their main discussion.
Doesn't it make you wonder how that so much throughout time has been given to someone who Atheist's claim doesn't exist? I mean there has been more written about Jesus, wether by books, songs, movies, or papers than all others combined. Even though the bloody ages when they tried to wipe out all of Christianity. One of the Pharisee's in the Bible told the others that if what the disciple's were doing, wouldn't last if it weren't true and of God. Just like others that came before them claiming something that wasn't true. But yet here we are about 2000 years after Jesus Christ died on the cross, and yet His truth is still standing strong. No one throughout time has been able to destroy His work or His word. And neither will the anti-Christ's today.
Many have tried and yet today they are in their graves and Jesus is still preached.
Some have even claimed that they were bigger than Jesus, or that not even God could stop them.
Like those who built the Titanic, or John Lennon.
Jesus is still being preached!!!
Chuck:
"Jesus is still being preached"
So what? So is buddah (who, by the way, predates your jesus).
Buddha can't predate Adam and Eve. They were the first of man kind, the father and mother to all, and God gave them the first acknowledgment of Christ.
False. Adam and Steve are fictional. (I say "Adam and Steve" because the bible tells us that god made (cloned) Adam's partner from Adam's rib. Logic tells us that Adam's partner therefore had identical DNA to Adam. Therefore the bible is telling us that we are descended from an incestuous, homosexual relationship. True™ Believers never think about the implications of the things they say about a book most of them have merely skimmed through.
Chuck
"You claim you believe tangible archeological records. How about the over 25,000 archeological digs that shows the Bible to be true? Or do you just disregard those..."
There is evidence for the existence of owls and train stations. That, however, does not make Harry Potter nonfiction.
Duh, Harry Potter was written just a few years ago and owls, and trains were here way before that. But you can't take the book ofHarry Potter with no other help to find the school that is spoken of in it.
But they have taken the Bible with no other guidance and found what only the Bible has mentioned. Proving it to be true.
Chuck Rogers
"How about the over 25,000 archeological digs that shows the Bible to be true? "
Yeah ! how about those ?
I've seen "7th day Adventists" try and pull this before.
I wonder ... would you care to name say 3 ...
Just 3 from 25,000
Just last year it was on the news that they provedthe Philistine's were a real people that dwelt around Gaza. A few years back they found were the city of Jericho that the Israelite's walked around and the walls fell. They found the a portion of what is left of Harod's palace that Jesus was in before He was crucified. They have found graves based on Bible writings.
Oh yeah in 2004 they found the pool that Jesus healed the important man. They found that as they were repairing a water pipe on the temple mount.
Chuckster, are you asserting that because there are some items in your book that are factual ALL of it is?
It's much more than things and places that are found that gives evidence to it's realness. It's the truth through and through. The problem for disbelievers is they don't want to believe, therefore they will always make an excuse. Like oh that's just coincidence. Those who do not want to believe seem to have this mentality that if God doesn't show them just what they want, then they will not believe. What they can't wrap around their understanding is that God is able to do things in ways that are beyond our ability to grasp. It absolutely amazed me that when I, from my heart, gave, not made to Jesus, how it opened up my eyes and understanding, not only to His word but the spiritual happenings around. Everything has a spiritual side to it. And everyone is being lead by one spiritual force or another. Not made to, but nevertheless lead. The Devil's really don't care if you talk about God and His word, or whatever else religiously or against religion. Just as long as you don't get saved is all they want.
Most likely you don't want to believe that. Therefore until or unless you get to the place of wanting to the truth more than not wanting to, you'll never accept any of it. One put it this way,
"Until the desire to change is greater than the desire to remain the same, you will remain the same."
No one has ever disputed Jericho existed. It did. That's never been the debate. I'm a bit rusty, but let me try this. If you fall into the Warren/Albright claim, then supposedly in Joshua's time there were Israelites. The problem is that this has been proven many times to be false by many people, specifically Kenyon, Bienkowski, and the Watzinger/Sellin team. The problem is that Jericho has gone back and forth from being busy to being sparse, and back again. Just because a book mentions a city doesn't mean the entire story is real.
If that were the case, then Tokyo would be the most rebuilt city after that whole Godzilla thing.
Yes …these are just the tricks that the “7thDay Do Dahs” tried…
I confess to being a little disappointed. I had hoped for something new to get my teeth into.
Oh well … I did give you the choice … so I cant really complain…..
OK lets get to it then ….
"Just last year it was on the news that they proved the Philistine's were a real people that dwelt around Gaza."
"it was on the news"
Was it ?which news ?
"they proved the Philistine's"
who are “they”?
As far as I am aware the fact that the Philistines were a real people has never been in doubt. And yes ,their territories were cantered on Gaza,. They were part of the “Migration of the Sea Peoples “ mentioned in ancient Egyptian texts ,probably related to the Sherden who had more contact with the Egyptians.
Anyway it appears that this movement of people was more an extended immigration rather than the traditional image of a sudden invasion.
I’ll provide a couple of Wiki links which you might like to check out (just to make sure I’m not naking it all up) [ I don’t like Wiki usually but in this case it does provide a quick and accessible source]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines
So you see the Philistines are quite well documented and have been for something over 150 years. So really not too sure what the news report “last year” was about…
Next ….
"A few years back they found were the city of Jericho that the Israelite's walked around and the walls fell. "
Really ? ….. A few years back? … Interesting …
I wonder if you might like to consider the following quote …
“The city may be the oldest continuously occupied city in the world.”
Sorry its from Wiki again … the History section on the Jericho entry …(link provided)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho
So it appears the city “they” found a few years back … was never actually missing. People seem to have known where it was for a couple of millennia or so. Given that ““The city may be the oldest continuously occupied city in the world.”
Now about those walls ….
Kathleen Kenyon ,a world famous archaeologist excavated Jericho during the 1950’s
“Although Kenyon had no doubt the sites she excavated were linked to the Old Testament narrative she nevertheless drew attention to inconsistencies, concluding that Solomon's "stables" at Megiddo were totally impractical for holding horses (1978:72), and that Jericho fell long before Joshua's arrival “
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Kenyon
Subsequent work has determined that at the supposed period of the supposed Israelite conquest the then small township of Jericho had NO WALLS.
You can read more of this in “The Bible Unearthed” by Israel Finklestein and Neil Asher Silberman. (page 82)
Next …
"They found the a portion of what is left of Harod's palace that Jesus was in before He was crucified. "
They have, have they ? They’re a busy lot …. Whoever “they” are. And a trifle publicity shy too …positively anonymous …
Again I’m not aware Herod’s palace had ever gone missing … and even if it had … its subsequent re-discovery would only prove its existence (which no one doubted ,given that every one from the Byzantines through the Crusaders and down to the Turks new what and where it was.)
It does not prove, in any way, what did or did not take place within its walls.
Next …
"They have found graves based on Bible writings."
“I refer the honourable gentle man to my previous answer.”
More ?
Oh Yes….
"Oh yeah in 2004 they found the pool that Jesus healed the important man. They found that as they were repairing a water pipe on the temple mount."
Yes this was exactly the one the “7th day” lot tried
Again it was known about for some considerable time before the supposed discovery. One Conrad Schick ,an early pioneering archaeologist ,was excavating around it in the 1870’s .
Again the “discovery” only proves that the pool existed and not what happened inside it.
The only further deduction that is possible is that who ever wrote the Gospel of John was familiar with the layout of first century Jerusalem.
Now as the author is most likely to have been a first century citizen of ,or visitor to, Jerusalem this must surely come under the heading of “No Shit Sherlock”.
Well I could go into how someone found evidence that King David did exist, or that large rocks with holes in them along with large rivets in a place in the mountains of Ararat that are believed to be were Noha's Arc settled on, or that 100% pure sulfur balls were found in the area believed to be were Sodom and Gomorrah were in the planes. And you can claim someone has something else that they claim any of it to be. And we can go around and around, but the same is true of evolution, you can claim one thing and I another over the same thing. So as I have posted in other forums, it is a matter of your world view. But someone is right and someone is wrong. It is either God or evolution, of which both require faith, ie, both are religions. The problem with evolution is there should be all kinds of evidence that is not refutable.
But if God is true all you have to do is what His word says and you will be shown the truth by Him.
Jeremiah 29:13 KJV
And ye shall seek me, and find me , when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Proverbs 8:17 KJV
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
But yet very few will even try this, yet it costs nothing, and hurts no one.
Are you willing to? Without any conditions?
“Well I could go into how someone found evidence that King David did exist, “
Please do and with references for your sources please….
“or that large rocks with holes in them along with large rivets in a place in the mountains of Ararat that are believed to be were Noha's Arc settled on,”
Yes please … I understand that some photographs exist ,if you could either post the images or links to them I would be extremely interested… Christian “researchers” have been hoodwinked so often by the locals in this area …it would be a true pleasure to see some real , properly documented ,research .
“or that 100% pure sulfur balls were found in the area believed to be were Sodom and Gomorrah were in the planes.”
Again yes please … I would be very interested to see any information you have access to on the volcanic earthquake that overwhelmed the cities of the plain
But I have my doubts about your ability to provide anything of value …. Even in your proposed course of action you are starting to “hedge your bets”….
You say you can show how “someone” found evidence of King David …but no names.
You go on to mention mountains of Ararat that are “believed” to be etc.ect.
Believed by whom ?, Based on what evidence?
“And you can claim someone has something else that they claim any of it to be.”
No ,you are not paying attention.
I’m afraid I don’t CLAIM anything .
I post alternative view points with links to where the evidence can be found and with details of who conducts the source research.
“And we can go around and around, but the same is true of evolution, you can claim one thing and I another over the same thing.”
Indeed we can … right up to the point where you can produce some properly sourced and referenced evidence.
“So as I have posted in other forums, it is a matter of your world view. “
No . it’s a matter of where the evidence leads.
“But someone is right and someone is wrong. “
True enough … but if you look at our exchanges it seems to be me who has posted sourced and referenced information , which you have not challenged or refuted .While you in your turn have relied on unsupported assertions and opinions.
“It is either God or evolution, of which both require faith, ie, both are religions. The problem with evolution is there should be all kinds of evidence that is not refutable.
But if God is true all you have to do is what His word says and you will be shown the truth by Him.
Jeremiah 29:13 KJV
And ye shall seek me, and find me , when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Proverbs 8:17 KJV
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
But yet very few will even try this, yet it costs nothing, and hurts no one.
Are you willing to? Without any conditions?”
And so you resort to the tried and tested Christian “two step”.
Trying to muddy the waters by introducing a second ,unrelated subject.
In our exchanges I have not touched on evolution , and until now neither have you.
I wonder why….could it be you see the weakness of your position.
Hence the unwarranted recourse to scripture.
You are disingenuous and duplicitous ,
You said ,” How about the over 25,000 archaeological digs that shows the Bible to be true? “
Given a free choice of your supposed 25,000 digs you chose the 3 above. I submit that they singularly fail to prove the Bible to be true. If you have others that you now consider to be more compelling please bring them forward.
Otherwise I think we are done here…
Here is a website to see the information about King David and others
http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/free-ebooks/ten-top-biblical-archaeol...
Go to drdino.com you would have to buy his DVDs Creaton vs evolution, in which after you watch them you can return them for a full refund. Unless you would like me to mail you a copy. I don't need your address, just a post office box. I didn't include were to find the information because I figured you would be smart enough to simply do a search on the web. There are several sites.
So tell me what your beliefs are.
You can throw "proven" Biblical archaeology around all you want, Chuck. Just because a book mentions real places, doesn't make it any more real. If that were the case, then every mythology would be real. You can't say that because a mentioned place is real, then the whole book is real.
How about you stating your case for your beliefs and let's see how many holes I can put in it.
I have and will continue to show that everyone believes what they believe by faith. The biggest difference between most of you and me is that you claim your beliefs are not by faith. God's word admits we have to believe by faith.
You have nothing to stand on but sinking sand.
State a case for something I don't believe in? That doesn't work. I'm not sure if you fully understand what the word "atheist" means. To summarize, it's a nonbelief in deities. Again, using God's word proving how an atheist thinks is impossible and, let's face it, childish and irrational.
Chuck..
“Here is a website to see the information about King David and others”…
I am aware of this website ,thank you …but glad to see you starting to use references to back your claims.
BUT…
Now you see … here is a point in question …
You say the related article applies to King David …. But your letting your own bias get in the way.
The article is about the Tel Dan steele … which does not mention King David.
What it refers to is a king of the house of David. (Probably Judah)
Not by any means the same thing.
See link (again to Wiki)…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele
And thank you again but I do not need you to send me anything ,certainly nothing on Creationism (although ,nice thought)..
You went on ,” How about you stating your case for your beliefs and let's see how many holes I can put in it.”
Not sure whether you meant that for me or Clockwork …
but just in case it was me …
and as I already have a piece prepared from another site I post on ….
I may as well let you have it ….
(both barrels…)
The only source for the “Christian” God and Jesus is the Bible.
The Bible is provably false.
It is lies, misdirection’s & falsehoods from start to finish.
Now I don’t expect you to take my word for it so I will post some the evidence with sources so you can check for yourself … (not that I expect you will) but someone may.
OK lets take it back to basics.
“Jesus of Nazareth”.
Why Nazareth ?
The writer of Matthew started the deceit that the title 'Jesus the Nazarene' should in some manner relate to Nazareth, by quoting 'prophecy':
"And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene." – Matthew 2.23.
With this, Matthew closes his fable of Jesus's early years.
Yet Matthew is misquoting– he would surely know that NOWHERE in Jewish prophetic literature is there any reference to a Nazarene.
What is 'foretold' (or at least mentioned several times) in Old Testament scripture is the appearance of a Nazarite.
(Note1 this makes more sense than the possibility of Nazareth being a “typo” for stem or branch. Don’t forget the Jews were expecting a real blood and fury messiah to save the nation … Samson was a Nazarite…not the perambulating hippy that Jesus is purported to be.)
For example:
"For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines." – Judges 13.5.
Matthew slyly substitutes one word for another. By replacing Nazarite ('he who vows to grow long hair and serve god') with a term (Nazarene) which appears to imply 'resident of' he is able to fabricate a hometown link for Jesus.
Ok not really a big deal , some scribe gets into a muddle trying to make up a prophesy to make his tale more palatable to the mainly Jewish audience he was expecting to be addressing. The very early Christians were initially mainly Jewish converts.
But then there is this …
The City of Nazareth looms large in the story of Jesus and his family. And yet what do we really know of this holy City.
Well, it is apparently big enough to have its own synagogue, for Jesus to preach in. And it is on or near a precipice. So it should be a fairly simple process to locate this metropolitan hub of first century Galilee. Surely either a Greek or Roman geographer can help us with this? But, No, not a word .No Roman or Greek speaks of this 1st century city.
Well what of Jewish writers.
Josephus In his histories, Josephus has a lot to say about Galilee (only 900 square miles in area).
During the first Jewish war, in the 60s AD, Josephus led a military campaign back and forth across the tiny province.
Josephus mentions 45 cities and villages of Galilee – yet Nazareth … not at all.
So , it appears the only reference to this elusive city is in the Bible , thus let us now examine what the “Good Book” has to say…
Well there are the obvious references in the 4 Gospels.
But looking further we start to notice strange omissions. The Old Testament ,in its entirety, has not one mention of Nazareth. Further, the Book of Joshua (19.10,16) – in what it claims is the process of settlement by the tribe of Zebulon in the area – records twelve towns and six villages and yet omits any 'Nazareth' from its list.
Curious … perhaps if we go the source for the Old Testament we may do better …
Lets look to the Talmud.
The Talmud, despite naming 63 Galilean towns, says absolutely nothing about Nazareth, neither does early rabbinic literature.
Perhaps Nazareth is only significant to the new cult of Christianity ?
But no .
No lesser person than Saint Paul himself , prolific letter writer and enforcer to the early church. In all his attributed works he refers to Jesus more than 220 times but Nazareth ?
Not once.
Ah well ,when all else fails we can always rely on science. The archaeologists must surely be able to nail down this elusive city.
Nope .
Despite all archaeological efforts over a period of nearly 60 years there is NO evidence of any sort for a city ,town ,hamlet or village at Nazareth during the 1st century.
What evidence there is all dates to after the Bar Kochba revolt of AD 135 when Nazareth was finally re-settled after being deserted for approximately 700 years following the Assyrian invasion of 738 BCE.
So a (so far) non existent town , fits with a non existent prophesy.
(and please don’t pull the “Nazareth House 2009” card its already been debunked)
Sources…
http://jesusneverexisted.com/
or
http://www.nazarethmyth.info/naz3article.html
Just in case you have a problem with prophesies being falsified …
Virgin Birth.
“Matthew” maintains that 'Isaiah' had prophesied that Jesus would be born of a virgin:"Behold, a virgin will be with child, and will bring forth a son, and they will call his name Emmanuel," – Matthew 1.23.
Matthew's source is the Septuagint (Isaiah 7.14). But the Greek-speaking translators of this version of Hebrew scripture (prepared in 3rd century BC Alexandria) had slipped up and had translated 'almah' (young woman) into the Greek 'parthenos' (virgin).
Honestly translated, the verse reads:
'Behold, the young woman has conceived — and bears a son and calls his name Immanuel.'
Not quite as impressive as a virgin is it…?
But it is verifiable … check this link for the Hebrew version … http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15938
The slip did not matter at the time, for in context, Isaiah’s prophecy (set in the 8th century BC but probably written in the 5th century BC) had been given as reassurance to King Ahaz of Judah that his royal line would survive, despite the ongoing siege of Jerusalem by the Syrians. And it did. In other words, the prophecy had nothing to do with events in Judaea eight hundred years into the future!
Yet upon this doctored verse from Isaiah the deceitful scribe who wrote Matthew was to concoct the infamous prophecy that somehow the ancient Jewish text had presaged the miraculous birth of Jesus.
Born in Bethlehem.
The 8th century BC Jewish sage 'Micah' writes about Assyrian invaders and a series of skirmishes in Samaria. He predicts (quite incorrectly as it turns out) that a ruler will arise from David's Bethlehem and conquer Assyria.
What does Micah actually say? The Massoretic (Hebrew) text of Micah 5.2, translated, says:
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephrathah who is little among the clans of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be a ruler in Israel."
'Bethlehem Ephrathah' here refers to the clan who are descendants from a man called Bethlehem, the son of Caleb's second wife Ephrathah referred to in 1 Chronicles – it does not refer to a town at all!
Undeterred, Matthew subtly alters the quoted text in his own story (2.6):
"And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means the most insignificant of Judah, for out of you will come forth a ruler in Israel."
What Matthew has done is change the reference to a clan to a reference to a city – but who would notice!
So the scribe who composed the so called Gospel of Matthew seems to have been somewhat untrustworthy. Is it worth checking out other claims from this particular branch of the story … ?
Damn right ….
Herods Massacre.
"Herod ... sent out and had all the boys in Bethlehem and in all its districts done away with, from two years of age and under ... Then that was fulfilled which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, saying: 'A voice was being heard in Ramah, weeping and much wailing; it was Rachel weeping for her children and she was unwilling to take comfort, because they are no more.' " (Matt 2.16-18)
No other source mentions this mass killing – despite some detailing Herod's real crimes at great length.
For this supposed prophecy Matthew has switched his source to 'Jeremiah', whose commentary is actually on the 6th century BC Babylonian captivity. At verse 31.15 the oracle says:
"This is what Jehovah has said, 'In Ramah a voice is being heard, lamentation and bitter weeping; Rachel weeping over her sons. She has refused to be comforted over her sons, because they are no more.' "
Are Rachel's sons 'no more'?
No, they are in Babylon and what's more God himself assures Rachel that they will be back in the very next verses:
"Hold back your voice from weeping, and your eyes from tears ... they will certainly return from the land of the enemy. And there exists a hope for your future ... and the sons will certainly return to their own territory." (31.15,17)
Trip to Egypt.
Only Matthew tells the story of the holy family rushing off to Egypt to escape the murderous intent of Herod the Great. According to Luke the blessed trio returned immediately to Nazareth without any concern for the wrath of the Jewish king.
But the Egyptian connection is vital to Matthew's purposes –his intention is to draw a parallel between Jesus , Moses and the Israelites .Herod plays the part of "Pharaoh", infants are killed, and "Israel" (="Jesus") is rescued.
Here Matthew quotes from "Hosea", though without giving his source:
"So he got up and took along the young child and its mother by night and withdrew into Egypt, and he stayed there until the decease of Herod, for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: 'Out of Egypt I called my son.' " (Matt 2.14,15)
Perhaps if Matthew had admitted that he was selectively quoting from Hosea 11.1 informed listeners would have known that the reference is not a prophecy at all. Hosea is lamenting the 'degenerate vine' of Israel of his own day, unlike the chosen people at an earlier time:
"When Israel was a boy, then I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son."
"Israel" and "son" here mean the Jewish people. In other words, any connection of the Hebrew exodus with Jesus is completely spurious – but it makes a good story.
And Finally
So careless is “Matthew” with his 'mis-quotations' of the prophets that he wrongly attributes one quote:
in referring to Judas's "thirty pieces of silver" (27.3,10) he maintains that the prophecy of 'Jeremiah' had been fulfilled – and yet it is 'Zechariah' (11.12-13) who used the phrase!
It seems the early church fathers were more than happy to lie for their faith ….
"One never errs more safely, methinks, than when one errs by too much loving the truth, and too much rejecting of falsehood."
– St Augustine, Retractations, Book I
"We shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity."
– Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, Vol. 8, chapter 2.
"Not all true things are the truth, nor should that truth which merely seems true according to human opinions be preferred to the true truth, that according to the faith."
– Clement (quoted by M. Smith, Clement of Alexandria, p446)
Source : http://jesusneverexisted.com/
I was going to go on to Luke et al but this is getting “wordy” …
so ,for now I’ll just settle for pointing you at a book …
try “The Bible Unearthed” by the Israeli Scholars Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman.
I won’t give too much away for those who wish to buy it but …. You can forget the Empire of David and Solomon also the conquest of Canaan , the wanderings of the Patriarchs and of course the siege of Jericho which it turns out wasn’t even there at the time.
I’ll leave it there for now …
Apologies to the forum for the wall of text … but Chuck did ask…
Watchman
For example:
"For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines." – Judges 13.5.
Funny funny, how funny is that? You should get someone different to get your info from.
1st. this verse is not talking about Jesus, it's about Samson.
Also the Hebrew word Nazarite in Judges is not the same As the Greek word Nazarene in Matthew.
Nazarite in Judges means = consecrated or devoted one.
Nazarene in Matthew means = an inhabitant of Nazareth.
You should get a Strong's Concordance. He has the actual Hebrew and Greek definitions in it.
Apparently your guy doesn't use the true meanings of Hebrew or Greek. He probably assumes he can decipher the bible just by reading it without the Holy Spirit, and of course without proper study.
2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
You must rightly divide the word.
You have to keep it in the context of what is being said. Your guy missed that. So you should start over with your studying, and get rid of that book.
Learn about Hermeneutics, the proper way to study the Bible.
Now I can go into all of these other so called mess ups that you claim, but it will be a waste of both of our time, until you get some real questions that shows you to be smarter than God.
Oh yeah like that will happen lol.
Also the only and I repeat only word of God for the English speaking people. All others are perversions. They are all copyrighted and all copyrights have to be considered a new work, which means that it is different. Which means it's not the same. The KJB is not copyrighted because God wants His word to be spread. The only reason for copyrights is to make money.
Im so sorry Chuck ... I had thought you to be a deluded but sincere Christian .... I see now that you are something else ...
I don't go in for name calling ... but you do need to find yourself a decent remedial teacher.
If you truly believe that the King James Bible was written at Gods instigation then you really are a ..... sorry .like I say I don't do name calling.
But I will just point out the inconsistency of using a book written in 1890 to fight your way through the difficulties encountered in a book translated in 1611 in response to textual problems pointed out by the puritan party in the English parliament before the English civil war ...
There seems to be little point in indulging in a battle of wits with you Chuck .... your out of ammo.
in your case Kenny Marken is right (Didn't think I'd ever say that) there is no point ... you may stay in your ignorance ...
I'll not trouble you further
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